And now we are arguing about Love … really?

We so often hide our hearts and minds in the full light of day. We don’t need to “hide in the dark”.

I don’t know (maybe I do – and maybe I don’t)

Again they came to Jerusalem. As he was walking in the temple, the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders came to him and said, ‘By what authority are you doing these things? Who gave you this authority to do them?’ Jesus said to them, ‘I will ask you one question; answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. Did the baptism of John come from heaven, or was it of human origin? Answer me.’ They argued with one another, ‘If we say, “From heaven”, he will say, “Why then did you not believe him?” But shall we say, “Of human origin”?’ – they were afraid of the crowd, for all regarded John as truly a prophet. So they answered Jesus, ‘We do not know.’ And Jesus said to them, ‘Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.’ Mark 11:27-33

Don’t mess with the Master! Because we don’t have to:
A: But you believe in Love, don’t you?
B: Yup
A: Snap!

God Soft Hands Jesus is the Master. He knows who is hiding, what they are hiding, and why they are hiding (just like he did for me and you – or have we forgotten). We don’t.

GSHJ asks the best questions – at the right time – in the perfect way – for each (just like he did for me and you – or have we forgotten). We don’t.

By whose authority?

Because the bible, theological training, the church/pastor/minister all tells me to …

Don’t mess with the Master! Because we often do:
A: You must believe in God. He is the answer.
B: And what do I find when I find your God?
A: Why you find Love!
B: I found Love a long time ago.
A: But not God’s love – you must be saved to find God’s love!
B: How is that a “better love”?

And now we are arguing about Love … really?

I don’t want to.

Do you?


17 thoughts on “And now we are arguing about Love … really?

  1. Come on Paul, you’re no fun… we have to have something to argue about don’t we?

    By the way, my team’s better than your team. My party is smarter than yours. I’m a better arguer than you… 🙂 🙂 🙂

    :/ :/ :/

    • Hiya Don – what a lovely comment, thank you 🙂

      Your “Why I don’t debate any more” came back to me as I waited for a neat response without success. And the very fact I can remember the title without checking is “proof” (for me) of His love for me (I live the vagaries of my memory every day – so this is a real “wow” moment for me!)

      Yet I see you walk the bible every day – the God you love, the all inclusive, the all embracing, the all “love”. I see your response to comments always accepted in exactly the same way. I see you interrupt your life for a month to teach – I see your living being your loving (complete with your wonderful sense of humour)! Perfect? For me – yes. For others – that’s for each to say.

      Which is a the essence of “what is right – who is right”. Unless our living is our loving, we arrive so quickly at “the argument”.

      And that is why your are perfect for me: you don’t. You allow.

      (and at this point I am overwhelmed with the desire to hug!)


      • Paul, thank you. You have no idea how much I appreciate this.
        In a couple of hours I have to teach a class, the most difficult group I’ve ever worked with. They argue with every “wow” moment, everything about the Christian life is too hard, Jesus never really meant this and never really meant that. Naturally I’m too simplistic, because all great intellectuals (like these fine folks) know that the Bible is too hard to understand, everything challenges their faith… and they sit there with their long faces and sad stories, complaining and griping… and arguing, all the while lecturing anyone who will listen about what great spiritual maturity they have attained!
        (The hardest part about dealing with them, is that I must force myself not to laugh)
        I’m sitting here almost dreading it… when I read this amazingly wonderful encouragement; thank you Paul! Thank you for letting His love work through you. Off I go to let Him work through me!

  2. No, I don’t want to argue about love and I refuse to.
    I’m aware I don’t know it all and I’m okay with that. God reveals Himself and His love as he chooses. I can choose to love my neighbor even if I don’t agree with him or her and allow room for God to do the rest. Much peace and love to you! 🙂

    • Lilka – “I want to to allow love and I choose to.”

      The word “convert” springs to mind. Along with a memory. Years ago the UK was powered by gas (not the petrol stuff you put in your car – but the “gassy stuff” we cook with over here, that we heat our homes with, that goes “hiss” when you turn it on). It came from “the gasworks” and burning coal. It had an aroma of “gas” – always had – dirty, stinky and dangerous.

      Then the whole country was converted to North Sea gas – “natural gas” as it was called. And it was so clean they had to add a “stink” to it. It was too clean for our conditioned noses. No scent to let us know if we had inadvertently left on the gas tap. No “danger” smell if there was a leak. All the burners had to be changed – the gas was to pure, too much pressure, for the bigger holes in the “old burners” in all the furnaces and cookers. All that techie stuff.

      And years later? Generations later? No one is really interested. Gas is gas is “gas”. We went through the pain of “conversion” – yet gas is gas is gas. Just as love is love is love. You like how I love? Let me tell you why. You like how you love? Please tell me why. And for those who love God, let’s all allow “… room for God to do the rest …”

      Thank you for a lovely confident comment!

      • I find that so fascinating. I have natural gas in my own home. I’m amazed how the natural gas was too “good” and caused all of these perceived problems.
        Likewise I’m amazed at how many people shortchange God’s love and think it can only apply to the specific group they happen to be a member of. God’s grace, love and blessings aren’t isolated for just a select few. People try to complicated it, dissect it and even add conditions to it when just as you said about the gas it just “is.” All of us who are graced enough to wake up and take a breath have received His love and mercy. I don’t know Paul, does it really have to be that hard? 😉

        • “All of us who are graced enough to wake up and take a breath have received His love and mercy.”

          When you put it in those stark and simple terms : no. Wallowing in and connecting with His love, our love, with “love” – should be as easy as normal breathing.

  3. A: Why you find Love!
    B: I found Love a long time ago.
    A: But not God’s love – you must be saved to find God’s love!
    B: How is that a “better love”?

    This is, sadly, too true. One of the many inane arguments we have with people in trying to win them over to Christ while insulting them by saying they can’t know God’s love unless they are saved. What??? Wouldn’t a better approach be to say that the love they already know comes from God, who is love and the author of all good things? And since this is so, wouldn’t they like to know Him personally?

    • Mel, snap! Thank you.

      WOW! He is connecting some thoughts under this one! Of any family. Wherein love is the core. And each may (or may not) agree with each other about everything. Where each pursues different careers, different lifestyles, different partners, different houses and homes. Where each “grows” and is encouraged to through and of love. Yet each belongs, each connects and each is so valued and nurtured – beloved and loved.

      How if we stick with “because I/He said so” our whole lives – how much “like Him” do we become? How much do we remain “stunted” in who and what we are and can become? How much do we remain a family isolated and introspective – keeping our all others? And if so – just where is “love” rather than “comfort” (and then discomfort) – where is growth – where is “freedom” – where is “I am”?

      “And since this is so, wouldn’t they like to know Him personally?” Works for me. So why would I want to stop it “working” for anyone – just because they use different names?


  4. Paul, I have to agree with Mel’s comment – all love comes from God whether someone believes in Him or not. That chair that supports you – yes that one right there you’re sitting on supporting your full weight – continues to do so whether or not you believe its maker exists. So it is with God’s eternal and encompassing love. “For He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Matthew 5:45) No argument – just love. ❤

    • Hiya Susan, thank you. Love your chair picture. Love “no arguments – just love”. Love Mel’s comments. Love this church and the sharing. Love my God. Love your God. 🙂

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