A personal relationship with Jesus


Violet:
“Maureen, please don’t make the mistake of thinking most atheists haven’t had a personal realtionship with jesus at some point in their lives. Yes, there are some lifelong athiests, but many, many atheists are deconverted christians. Some were religiously abused and so left their religion, but others left of their own accord without trauma. Even pastors and priests leave the faith.  
Cue the next argument: “but deconverts, you weren’t ‘real’ chrisitans if you left the religion.” 🙂 ”
The conversation between “Christian and Atheist” continues at Mel’s place: “Natural theology and atheistic confusion”

Just for interest here are some stats:
a) original post when copied and pasted = 1.5 pages of A4
b) comments below the post = 64.7 pages of A4
c) comments in three days since post published = 180 comments.
The comment above was the most recent when I had a look this morning.

I have huge respect for those adding comments – and particularly Mel who has responded to each.  Wow!

As always the conversation loses me.  The length and repetitive nature of the conversation, the addition of vitriol from some, the tangents and loops, the presentation of beliefs from all sides dressed up as fact and evidence, the sheer length of all that, the real time necessary to converse … My family – my job – my living – don’t get that much time!  Not without all else being put on hold.  So big respect to all concerned.

“Maureen, please don’t make the mistake of thinking most atheists haven’t had a personal realtionship with jesus at some point in their lives.”

Thank you Violet.

When I have had a personal relationship with anyone, that relationship was based on my vulnerability.

So my “page” has been written on.  My blank page became not “my page” at all.  And I have now reclaimed my page.  My page is once again mine.  But it will never be free of the graffiti.  That leaves its mark forever.  Good and bad.  My choice.

So I cannot tell you about my relationship (failed or living) with a blank page.  And I will have edited my page.  We each write and rewrite our own “pages”.  Not just about God or no-God.  But about everything.  Even the stuff we take for granted (currently).  We are each authors of our own unfinished book called “My Life and My Living.”  Some write lots.  Some say they don’t.

So this 180 comment-fest in three days …  It loses me because I do not see “evidence” from both sides – I don’t see “fact”.  I see “personal relationship pages” written upon.  I see division where none should be.  I see we tell each other “you are wrong and I am right” over and over again.

I have a title for my book: “Love is the answer, kindness is my evidence.”

That’s my current title – and if it not yours (yet) – that’s okay.

It never used to be mine either.

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6 thoughts on “A personal relationship with Jesus

  1. It loses me because I do not see “evidence” from both sides – I don’t see “fact”. I see “personal relationship pages” written upon.

    Then you are not taking the time to read properly.
    For example: Mel tried to assert the old canard that kids are predisposed to believe in ”God” (sic). He cited Justin Barrett.
    When called our by John, Mel then back-peddled and stated he was not inferring his god but design in general. Yeah, right! Mel wouldn’t tell Porky Pies, now would he?
    John showed how Barrett’s research had been thoroughly refuted and then Mel whines and throws in the the ”let’s all have a go at the Creationists” line (paraphrase).

    Tildeb demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that Mel’s use Quantum theory/mechanics etc was groundless and he was merely spouting in a topic he had very little grasp of. And if it flummoxed Feynmen then Mel Wild knows bugger all!

    And of course there was the dialogue concerning Hell …

    Mel Wild is somewhat of a hypocrite, I’m afraid.

    But light beckams sorry, I mean beckons from yonder window as Mel will soon be putting up a post (so he claims) that is dear to your hear, Paul. Jesus of Nazareth.

    Exciting, isn’t it? 🙂

    • “Exciting, isn’t it?”

      To someone I suppose. Just not me.

      And thanks for the assumption at the end.

      (further comments will be not be released)

  2. I like the title of your book, Paul. Let me know when it’s finished. 🙂

    And, yes, I could write a book the size of War and Peace with all the comments from people who apparently have nothing better to do that prove that I’m wrong and just plain stupid.

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