Just to remind me.
4.Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell: 5.The The third day he rose again from the dead:
Another read on the etymology of Hell – by Anne Robertson
Towards the incre[e]dulous
While Paul has been de-creeding I am still heading that way via my own muddled – Bipolar mind. This post deals with the fifth Article – the third day he rose again from the dead.
Let me say this: 4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended to the dead 5. on the third day He rose from the dead. – Since there was no ‘Again’ Jesus, to our knowledge returned just the once from the dead.
However Fr Kenneth Baker S.J. explains the ” Again’ this way:
Our English version of the Creed says that Jesus rose “again”. Normally when we use the word “again” we mean “a second or third time”. Obviously it cannot mean that in the Creed since Christ died once and rose once from the dead. Then why do we say “again”? The word can also mean “on the other hand, “in addition”. So it can have an adversative meaning and that is the way it is used in the Creed. After saying that he died and was buried, the Creed says, “however”, on the third day he rose. If you read the phrases over in succession you will understand the contrast.Catholic Education – The Resurrection of Jesus by Fr. Kenneth Baker S.J.
5. However on the third day He rose from the dead.
Last time I made much of the Nature of this Hell to where Jesus’ soul descended, pointing out that it is not a Biblical concept. That the only place coming near to torture was the ever burning Garbage tip known as Gehenna. Which of course destroyed the body and not the soul. Wherever or whatever we believe of the punishment awaiting the hell bound it appears not to be Dante’s invention. There is actually a word for the Hell we think we know and that is Tartarus, it is used in the Pseudepigrapha –Tartarus occurs in the Septuagint translation of Job into Koine Greek, and in Hellenistic Jewish literature from the Greek text of 1 Enoch, dated to 400–200 BC. … Tartarus is generally understood to be the place where 200 fallen Watchers (angels) are imprisoned.
Jesus descended to the dead, to Sheol, or Hades, the place where every soul awaits the Resurrection – so that He experienced everything known to humanity. Then he rose or returned from there three days later.
In case you haven’t thought about this – our Creeds, beliefs are all based on the “Flat Earth concept ” held throughout our History. All this descending and rising and ascending only make sense when viewed from an earth shaped like a dinner plate. In the ovoid planet we inhabit, everywhere is both up and down so that Jesus neither descended nor ascended, though it seemed so to them.
How do the Scriptures translate what Jesus himself said about this place ?
In most of the English and other vernacular Scriptures Jesus appears to have gone to town on the word “Hell”. The referrences are numerous and, without looking, all translate Genennon that way.
As I noted in the post concerning the word ‘Hell’, according the the source they cited 2 Witclife 1300 and the Vulgate. I now have more Scriptures which correctly translate the word Gehenna as Gehenna.
In the Vulgate Mark 9:43 reads “et si scandalizaverit te manus tua abscide illam bonum est tibi debilem introire in vitam quam duas manus habentem ire in gehennam in ignem inextinguibilem”
A Faithful Version
And if your hand shall cause you to offend, cut it off; it is better for you to enter into life maimed than to go with two hands into the unquenchable fire of Gehenna,
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Berean Literal Bible
Weymouth New Testament
World English Bible
For fear of boring you pop over to Bible Hub and discover these and perhaps others: https://biblehub.com/mark/9-43.htm
What of the Greek? It used γέενναν – gehennan
43 Καὶ ἐὰν σκανδαλίζῃ σε ἡ χείρ σου, ἀπόκοψον αὐτήν · καλόν ἐστίν σε ⸃ κυλλὸν εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν ζωὴν ⸃ ἢ τὰς δύο χεῖρας ἔχοντα ἀπελθεῖν εἰς τὴν γέενναν, εἰς τὸ πῦρ τὸ ἄσβεστον. Mark 9:43 Society Bible Literature Greek New Testament.
Jesus most definitely didn’t visit the Garbage tip known as Gehennan, pretty pointless really. I am pretty sure that he visited the Souls of the Dead and witnessed to them, as the Church believes, though not as Peter describes.
However by Jesus’ time Gehennan had become a metaphor for the place we know as Hell, yet it is still pointless that Jesus’ own soul visited there.
Having danced the circle from the tomb to Hades and back I make the point that we do not know what happened to Jesus while he was in Joseph of Arithamea’s tomb. It is a learned creedal statement regarding something we do not know but perhaps like to think.
Jesus died and returned from the dead, both body and soul, in his transformed body The Resurrection of Jesus vanquished death, Jesus overcame death – as he has promised us we will; and that is the point of Article 5.
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