The following reflection is born of the Readings set for last Sunday. The Second Reading of Romans 5:12-21
Paul says ‘ 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come……..20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.’ (Romans 5:12-14,20,21 NIV)
David says ‘ The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,
making wise the simple.
8 The precepts of the Lord are right,
giving joy to the heart.
The commands of the Lord are radiant,
giving light to the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is pure,
The decrees of the Lord are firm,…Psalm 19:7-9 (NIV)‘
And also countless others including Psalm 119:97 97Oh, how I love your law! I meditate on it all day long.
Which Law is which or are they the same?
Hazarding a guess I say that not quite. Paul is speaking to a group of Jewish Citizens in Rome and is stressing crime and punishment at a very serious level such that salvation and atonement through Jesus Christ are the only ransom that will cancel debt owed to God for the sin of the world.
Meanwhile the Perfect Law of the Lord does not infer the balance of Crime and Punishment but the Torah which is Holy and perfect and a guide to humanity.(Jewish humanity at the time) It is said that in Meditating upon the Law of the Lord and studying it one forms their own Torah or Holy Guide-according to their maturity and understanding which is ever changing and growing.
Rashi Says in his comment on Psalm 1:2 ‘that and in his law he meditates:‘ “In the beginning, it is called the law of the Lord, and after he has toiled to master it, it is called his own Torah.”
Certainly the Torah guides one to right thinking and action but also allows for reconciliation, those who loved it and understood its perfection understood death as part and parcel of life – we were never meant to live forever in our present state. Yet Paul speaks of the Law of Sin and Death … as something to be overcome. That humans die because of Adams sin and he refers to Adam as a Type of Christ of Christ as the New Adam.
Was one born and disobeyed just one commandment causing all to die to enable the other to reverse the process? And this so called sin reigned from Adam to Moses because humanity had no conscience. Did not understand when they committed wrong until the Commandments came to tell them? Well I don’t think so.( I say Commandments here rather than Torah since they were given firstly and became part of it) The Commandments, in my oppinion set the stage for monotheism and Israel’s relationship with the Lord God of Israel and their relationship with one another.
Do I err, probably since I am not Jewish and have not the true understanding of the Torah given to Israel and not to us.
I’m offering some questions concerning identity; aren’t we grafted in? Doesn’t something grafted become the identity of the tree or vine? Is it possible that the so-called lawless church is suppose be a nation of people? Isn’t there just one Flock? Is Israel a geographical location or a mysterious ancient assembly where two or three are gathered together in Covenant with Messiah?
Yes,now we are grafted in. Paul was dealing with identity regarding Gentile Christians in part due to the question whether Gentiles must become Jews to become Christians. So the illustration referring to grafting. All are one in the Body of Christ.
Jewish genes and Jewish belief can be confusing. 21st century concepts are different than 1st century ones,were new Believers just as chosen as the Jews believed they were?
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Brother, I agree about the confusion. 12 years ago I was studying I Corinthians 10 and the Spirit flooded me and it was as though scales fell from my eyes I saw that the connection. Theses forefathers are our family. We’re One with all believers from all ages. Most of my Bible college education just didn’t fit this kind of thinking 🤔. . Dispensationalism, Once Saved Always Saved, cheap Believe-ism, OT and NT with a white page in between, all this began to change. Born again is a Re-Newed raw organic truth. All Yeshua’s Flock is born of Spirit [coming thru the invisible womb of the Spirit]. And they’re washed with the “washing of the Word.” Of course all those in the DNA aren’t Israelites. All who say they believe aren’t family. Zechariah 14 threw me. Animal offerings, attending The Feast compulsory or no rain in the Kingdom of Messiah. Hundreds of Scriptures made me realize we should still be doing the Feast days. Passover not communion. My wife and I were reading Acts and Saul did the Nazarite Vow twice and taught Torahwalk.
Torahwalk,I will continue this discussion, just letting you know I have seen and read it.Andrew Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Just me being curiousSent: Wednesday, 2 June 2021 3:59 AMTo: firstname.lastname@example.orgSubject: [Just me being curious] Comment: "Sin and the Torah."
Shalom! We pray that you and your family lack for nothing. Brother that’s a lot of work you did. Awesome 😎. We make our home in the foothills of the Great Smoky Mountains. Our internet connection is poor, sometimes it’s a few days before we can get back to a connection. But I’m going to address some thoughts soon. I think you’ll enjoy. Wishing someone Shalom is to wish them to be whole, complete, and Chai a full stomach. Shalom!
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I look forward to hearing from you. Great Smokey is always envisage low cloud and mist when I hear of them.
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