Comments on Sin and the Torah-2

  • “Brother, I agree about the confusion. 12 years ago I was studying I Corinthians 10 and the Spirit flooded me and it was as though scales fell from my eyes I saw that the connection.
  • Theses forefathers are our family. We’re One with all believers from all ages. Most of my Bible college education just didn’t fit this kind of thinking . .
  • Dispensationalism,
  • Once Saved Always Saved,
  • cheap Believe-ism,
  • OT and NT with a white page in between,
  • all this began to change. Born again is a Re-Newed raw organic truth.
  • All Yeshua’s Flock is born of Spirit [coming thru the invisible womb of the Spirit]. And they’re washed with the “washing of the Word.”
  • Of course all those in the DNA aren’t Israelites. All who say they believe aren’t family.
  • Zechariah 14 threw me. Animal offerings, attending The Feast compulsory or no rain in the Kingdom of Messiah. Hundreds of Scriptures made me realize we should still be doing the Feast days.
  • Passover not communion. My wife and I were reading Acts and Saul did the Nazarite Vow twice and taught Torahwalk.

Clive Jacobs – second reply – All believers ever born are our family.

First of all, 1 Corinthians 10.

Yes, it is plain to me that the faithful will come to this Truth, this is something many of us know in retrospect, especially when we are Catholics and speak of the three stages, or aspects of Church.

  • The Church Militant – those who are here today
  • The Church Penitent – from Catholic perspective, those already passed from us.
  • The Church Triumphant – the Resurrection of the Body. and , naturally, these include every believer that ever was. Ourselves, our forebears and all who will rise again.


I have to confess that I needed to look this one up here is a link to the explanation. There have been and still are many attempts to make sense of the Old Testament in the light of the New. Dispensationalism – either 7 or 3. reads to me like a kind of Paradigm Theory gone awry, convienient for those who like a neat and tidy progression.

Once saved always saved, is it possible to lose salvation.?

No we are not yet saved – we must work it out in fear and trembling!

12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose. 14Do everything without grumbling or arguing, 15so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.” c Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky 16as you hold firmly to the word of life. And then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain. 17But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you. 18So you too should be glad and rejoice with me.

Philippians 2:12-18 NIV

It can be easy to believe if one thinks it is a done deal and rests on one’s laurels in confidence that nothing can separate one from the love of God and his gift.. Ezekiel says the soul that sins, it shall die! Ezekiel 18:4.

Yes! the penalty for our sins was paid in full through the death and resurrection of the final Passover Lamb – the Lord Jesus Christ. But what of our lives? Baptism didn’t end the lawlessness in me, it will be a long Journey to my Salvation – it hasn’t happened yet but Christ has made provision for it. The shepherd who guides gently and lovingly, who is all forgiving if we are repentent.

Baptised in the spirit and the Word, is another way to say baptism in the Spirit and in Christ who is the Word. The following is an interesting, simple place to visit:

Zechariah 14.

According to Jewish Commentry the Festival referred to in Zechariah 14 is not Passover but Sukkah or Sukkot – the Feast of Tabernacles, culminating in Shavuot. Which was Jewish Pentecost; Read Rashi’s Commentry :

Each year in the Jewish religious Calendar the Feast of Tabernacles is celebrated to remind the Jews of the time thy spent in Tents in the dessert. It is a Feast of weeks or 50 days running between Passover and Shavuot.

There are some denominations today who keep Passover on the Thursday before Easter to re-enact the Lord’s Last Supper when he gave us a New Covenant in His Blood. He commanded his Apostles to celebrate the feast of Bread and wine = Holy Communion as often as they came together. BECAUSE there would be no more Passovers , he was the final Passover Lamb to be slain.

1Corinthians 11:23-26

23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes

1Corinthians 11:23-26 NIV

In my estimation if we believe and understand what the Lord is saying to Israel and the Nations through Zechariah then it is Holy Communin that we should conduct as often as we come together -to do so since my particular denomination celebrates the Holy Communion once a month.

Torah walk is a topic in its self which I will reserve for next time.

In closing I will say that the Spirit wanders where she will and gives to each one the Spirit of their journey whether as one who worships Christ through the old Rites or the New.

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